In the Humble Opinion of LittleBill, Socialist, Atheist, and Humanist
Iraq Statistics

On Monday, 9-11, Vigilante posted his views On the Fifth Anniversary of 9/ll. He included comparative statistics of the dead and injured of 9/ll caused by Osama Bin Laden, as compared with those of American forces caused by George W. Bush's war in Iraq. An excellent view of the war and its consequences.

This brings to mind several things that have bothered me for some time. For one thing, one of the boasts of which GWBush is proudest, and oddly enough, brings feelings of peace and security to some Americans, is that "we are fighting the terrorists over there so that we won't have to fight them here." Doesn't it bother anyone else that we have gone into a country which has not attacked us and caused the deaths of tens of thousands of its people so that we can be secure here? Isn't it a strange sort of immoral thinking on GW's part, and doesn't it make craven cowards out of those of us who agree and are just as happy to hide behind the bodies of dead Iraqis, as well as behind those of our own soldiers?

A second thing that really bothers me is that we seldom see any statistics of innocent Iraqis killed or wounded. It is over for those who are dead, but what kind of care do you suppose the wounded are receiving, and under what circumstances When you see or read of the grievous wounds that so many of our forces have received and you realize that they will never be whole human beings again, whether physically or mentally, even with the best of care, what kind of shape do you think the Iraqis in similar circumstances are in?

And you can even wonder about the "terrorists", the "insurgents", or any other name you want to give to the "enemy". It is also over for those who are dead, but not for those who are grievously wounded. Does anyone care?

We are constantly being told by GW and his group what motivates the "terrorists" and why they hate us so, but I now hate the country I live in and the people who made it the way it is, and it has nothing to do with Osama Bin Laden.

And I'd like to leave you with this question, how many mass graves do you suppose we will leave in Iraq? I know that was of great import in GW's decision to save the people there for freedom and democracy.


Vigilante said...

You can get stats on Iraqi civilian deaths here.

Beach Bum said...

I have pondered that question myself plus wondering who asked the Iraqis if we could even fight our battles on their soil. Given the lies and just bad planning of the Maximum Ferret and his clowns I have come to wonder about the basic nature of this country at times. I can't help but feel that just a few years ago these blunders, to say the least, would have had people in the streets protesting and the majority party in Washington voted out of office long ago.

an average patriot said...

That's funny! That's what I used to call my son.
Yes that was me I can't remember what you asked but I don't want to lose this so , oh well!
Any way, welcome to Blogdom and I too have not only thought of this but posted on it on kos. It was in regards to Bush killing more Americans in Iraq than the 9/11 terrorists. Anyway, you never hear him bragging about that.
But anyway, here is why it doesn't matter to him and this should put 9/11, Iraq, the middle east, everything, into perspective. I would like to hear what you have to say'
From 9/11 he has been following a plan. Fighting terrorism was not it. It was just the reason he needed to attack Iraq and start to implement his new middle east and world order. Please read the following and you will understand everything.
9/11 was Bush's pearl harbor. Problem is, Bush is no FDR and has squirreled away any sympathy the world had for us.
Now let me say something I have repeated many times over the years. In after sight you may agree, let me know!
As you may remember, Bush was looking for something to happen that would put the country and the world behind what he already had plans to do. 9/11 gave him that something.
He had plans right from the beginning to establish a new societal, middle east, and world order. That is why it was important to him to whip up a media and public fury which of course, he has done.
He then used the excuse of 9/11 to attack Iraq and unsettle the middle east guaranteeing the loss of Afghanistan, Iraq, and the entire middle east. He did all this so he could further his idea of a new middle east and world order. Of course lying all the while and whipping up as much support and frenzy as he could in the media and minds he controls.
At this point it behooves him to continue to ignore reality and continue to whip up a frenzy so he can continue staying the course in order to further prosecute his new middle east and world order.
We are all shamelessly being used so Bush can follow his plan for new order. I wrote this 3 years ago but it is more obvious today. Let me know what you think? I won't get any deeper but it gets worse from here.

Blog on!

an average patriot said...

Yhep, that was me! Al gore is the only one that can save us. He has been preparing for a lifetime for this and the time is critical. We need him now. He will run and win, just watch!
I put something together I will be posting tomorrow that will blow you away and will graphically illustrate just how critical a position we are in thanks to Bush.
I'll tell you, I have done so many posts in the past about this. For New Years I did a post saying Oh my God we're screwed, Bush promises more of the same in 06. I wondred if we could survive the year? I said he would be known as the President who brought down America!
Anyway, time for a drink! Good first blog by the way.

Urbanpink said...

Hate me today. Oh, I really am trying to make my language impeccable (without sin). I can't tell you how much I wince when people hate people. I don't even hate the terrorists, yet they make me ill and I do want to hold them responsible for their crimes NOW. I find it a fruitless emotion fueled by anger and frustration. Understandable, but frightening to me. I totally agree with your deep moral analysis of what we're doing in Iraq, I have almost called this an "immoral war" based on just shallow version of what you outlined--but I don't want to implicate our soldiers (the decent, dutiful soldiers). It's really nice to see your concern for our moral role there. I really think most people don't think that hard--my ex-husband used to have a sign that said, "Don't think it's malice when it's probably incompetence," or something like that. I honestly think most people don't see much past their navels and their tax bills. Believe me, I've got one hand on the EU passport! Until we become a nation of critical thinkers we're in trouble. It's kind of impolitic to make people search their moral souls these days I guess, very ironic in this "born-again" era. Powell got CLOSE, but didn't sock-it-to-us.

pekka said...

Since the awful day when the plains slammed to the WTC, I was absolutely convinced that this bunch of fascists would use it to their evil purposes. It became immediately as clear as Chaney's forehead that nothing could stop the invasion of Iraq, and nothing did. Nothing will change, nothing will be learned and the course will be stayed, unless the citizens of the U.S. can finally see through the fog and use their democratic right to kick these maniacs out of office. In the name of humanity, please, DO IT!

Vigilante said...

UrbanPink, your points on hating are well taken. (you made the same point in your comment on The Vigil. It was too strong for me to say I hate George Bush. (As a matter of fact, had he not become president six years ago, I would be happy if he moved in down the street, on the corner.) I wrote my 5th Anniversary piece hastily. Using my prerogatives I will edit/update my offending, inappropriate and (actually) inaccurate 2nd paragraph.

DB Cooper said...

Is it true and where did I read that Bush professed no alarm about bad news from Iraq, saying that recent trends (such as a spike in killings) were " just a 'nanosecond' in historical terms . . . .Just a data point."

??Did he really say that??

Beach Bum said...

The country will be decades, if ever, recovering from his ill-conceived decisions involving his presidency. Iraq, Katrina, the budget, and several other issues like his drug plan and education reform will all have to be sorted out by new leaders and paid for by us. Do I hate the man, no, but his handling of the country and his arrogance has made his time in office almost an epic tragic dark comedy with the entire world as unwilling cast members. Sometimes I wonder if there is not some 21st century Gibbon writing a new Decline and Fall.